Peoples of the Salmon was founded in October of 2020 in Vancouver, B.C. Its founding members are Tribunal members Giltimi, Maathlaatlaa and Headsman Popois.
How It All Began – An Interview with Headsman Popois
Q: What was the beginning of your journey with establishing de jure governance within Peoples of the Salmon?
Popois: Taking the lands back for the people. Instead of us sitting on reservations with no land base, all the lands were ours. Canada did not make a treaty with any group of people. All they could do are possessionary contracts, which they have. They’re not an International country to do an international treaty.
Q: So, when did you start this journey of your self-governance, timewise? What is your history with all this? Like how did you get started in all this?
Popois: In the 90’s, we were looking at the ownership of lands and how it came about. And the more you search, the more you find out about King George’s Royal Proclamation as opposed to the propaganda we have been programmed with in public school. You find that James Douglas was never knighted, so he was never a Sir. I picked that up in Wikipedia the last 6 hours before they took it down. So that was pretense on their part, so of course, they took it out. He’s never been knighted.
Q: So, there was some King George Royal Proclamation?
Popois: Yes, in 1763.
Q: Then who got knighted?
Popois: James Douglas. Governor James Douglas.
Q: Governor, is he Canadian?
Popois: No, he’s English. He was taking care of the Hudson’s Bay Company and the North West Company, about 1860. We are talking about history, back to 1860.
Q: So you were interested, you had some motivation to learn about land titles. Where did that interest come from, this interest to learn about land titles, who owns the land?
Popois: We went through, in 1987, the Self Government Act and that only gave us back reserves. So I did a search, how did they even make reserves came about? From the Indian Act. The Queen gave us reservations and expected us to live on these reservations and make a livelihood. And that was impossible. Then under the Indian Act, they had all the control under Section 8888 of the Foreign Government. (See bottom of interview.)
So when I proved that the Indian Act is not a law of Canada, then there’s no such thing as reservations. There’s no such thing as an elected band council in a municipal type council.
Q: You said you proved that the Indian Act was not a law. How did you do that?
Popois: Research with a lawyer told us that they only had two readings. An ordinary person can’t do that research because you can’t go into the Attorney General’s files and get information. You have to be a BAR lawyer.
Q: Is there any information that we do have access to that leads to that conclusion?
Popois: No. We did make the presentment. I asked, “Do you have any documents that show us that Canada is a country? We filed that instrument on May 20, 2021. You have one month to prove you’ve had three readings of the Indian Act, that you’ve had a Royal Assent of that act by parliament and that it’s a Gazette-recorded copy of it.” They had one month to show us that, and they didn’t, therefore they defaulted. There’s no such thing as a law of Canada without three readings without Royal Assent or Gazette.
Q: Ever? Or just the Indian Act?
Popois: Neither. The Indian Act is not a law of Canada. Nor is the BNA Act. Nor are some of the original documents that come from the Queen because there’s no signature of the Queen in North America.
Q: So, tell us, what do you think happened then really? According to all your research, what do you think happened? When foreigners, non-indigenous people, started to come to Canada. What do you think happened?
Popois: The settlers took the Squatters Rights and the Crown took the land, surveyed it and then passed it on to their subjects.
Q: But the Crown is not, the English crown, which is representing London?
Popois: It is the city of London.
Q: How is the English Crown related to the Queen?
Popois: I imagine it’s a Corporation under the Queen, under Elizabeth.
Q: The English Crown is a Corporation under the Queen.
Popois: Yes. The Privy Council is the governing body of the Queen’s Corporation.
Q: Where is the Privy Council based?
Q: So both the Crown and the Privy Council, are acting on the orders of the Queen?
Popois: No, the Queen is acting on the orders of Privy Council.
Q: So the Privy Council so far is the top layer.
Popois: Yes, they’re the governing body, Just like in Canada, the Privy Council makes 95% of the laws. It passes 95% of the laws. However, the Canada Privy Council is a subsidiary of the UK Privy Council. All the provinces under the 10 Governors are operating, the Privy Councils for the Provinces; are branches of the Canadian Privy Council. Therefore they have no jurisdiction in North America.
Q: Okay. So, now you come to this realization/view that Privy Council in London gave orders to come over and basically take over the lands?
Popois: They’re a corporation. And that was originally through the Hudson’s Bay Company that they operated here under license.
Q: Most of us know of the Hudson’s Bay Company. Can you tell me a little bit more about the Hudson’s Bay Company?
Popois: That’s the charter of 1670, when Prince Rupert was over here. They had the trading rights from all the Native Indians around Hudson’s Bay. And it was not a land purchase but it was only a license to trade with the Indians. And then the company [Hudson Bay] was sold in Canada, the Corporation in 1860.
Host: Is there any way to verify that?
Popois: It can be found here on our Members area (coming soon), alternative media and
The Shadow Magic-Show-Canada is a Corporation
There were never any land deals. They were just possession contracts that Lord Rupert signed with Canada. He was the overseer of the Corporation. They never bought land, all he had was a company that they purchased off the Queen, as Hudson’s Bay, the Charter that had the trading rights with the Indians – trading furs and resources with.
Q: But so what if they never bought the land? What if they just claimed ‘we beat you guys up’?
Popois: They didn’t. It’s never been conquered. Never been ceded. Never been surrendered. They just took over.
Q: Isn’t taking over like conquering people?
Popois: No. They were coercing, at the end of a gun. It was called gun barrel diplomacy. That’s what the Louis Riel Rebellion was about – was the defence of lands and they had the RCMP go and hang him.
Q: Can you tell us what you see as the Louis Riel Rebellion?
Popois: He was representing the Indian people and the Metis people and their land base, and they hung him for treason against Her Majesty. They came here, formed the Hudson’s Bay Company to trade with the Indians. They were then sold to the Corporation of Canada and continue operations to this day.
Q: So this Corporation of Canada, was that registered in the United States?
Popois: Yes. In 1860.
Q: What about this Canadian Constitution?
Popois: There is no Constitution.
Q: Oh. But many people talk about this – Canadian Bill of Rights.
Popois: There’s no Bill of Rights. They’ve never been signed by the Queen.
Q: Is there proof of that?
Popois: Yes, there’s no signed copy in England. There is no Canadian Constitution because you can’t bring a constitution over from a foreign country and place it on someone else’s land without a purchase and without a referendum of the people. And both of those have never been done.
Q: Right. You’re saying, the land has never been bought.
Popois: Nor sold and ceded, surrendered. Nor conquered.
Q: And it’s just kind of a facade that’s been going on for…
Popois: 200, 300 years
Q: So things are operating under the Hudson’s Bay Act still. And so how does this relate to voting?
Popois: They’re members of the Corporation. All of those people that were forced to sign a Certificate of Live Birth, they’re given a certificate from the Vital Statistics Act of each Province of origin. So as far as most awakened people know, they could have that document back and change their status. They become Sovereign and not corporation members of Canada.
Q: I think you said back in the 90’s you started investigating land ownership.
Popois: I was looking at taking over property that was in our territory. I made a presentation to the Band Council and they couldn’t understand it. So that was based on real law of Equity and our rights as a nation of people. However, that was just before the 1987 Sovereign Government Act of the Sechelt, that they signed an agreement that they’d be a third government with Canada and BC.
Q: Would that mean corporation? When you say government, what are you referring to?
Popois: A Corporation. Canada is a Corporation. BC is a Corporation. And the band council is too.
Q: Is your heritage is from the Sechelt Nation. Did you live on a Sechelt reserve?
Popois: Yes. For 20 years. I grew up there.
Q: So, from that beginning, of researching, how did it lead to the PotS?
Popois: Well, we formed a Tribunal to form our self-governing land. We are at a point now that since Canada is no longer an operating government, and only listed as a corporation, as they’re de facto, they have no say as the First Law of the Land. The best they can use is the second body of law on our land. And they are squatters and trespassers that have no rights on our land.
Q: But they built up some kind of structure including a military force.
Popois: Yes, and that was built with 50% of our resources and assets through their contract with the Queen. So we have given our own flag and they just let that all go and they claim that 50% as their money. So it went from Indian Trust Monies to Indian control of our resources and fund monies and now it’s listed as a Consolidated Indian account in the Bank of Canada. It’s a money steal, a money grab. All along.
Q: So when did this name Peoples of the Salmon start? And where did it come from?
Popois: When we started to name the organization that we started about two years ago, with the Tribunal, under the decree of de jure governance, and that a body of people cannot be corporate, as Maathlaatlaa calls it ‘corporatology’. So you can’t be a country. You can’t be a nation. You can’t be anything that’s registered as a name under the U.N.
Q: Can you elaborate on what Maathlaatlaa said?
Popois: Corporatology has all these words associated to it. Corporation, company, president, executive, nation, city, government. These are all corporatology words and we wanted to stay away from that. What are we going to call ourselves to stay away from the words of the corporatology? And Peoples of the Salmon isn’t a society, isn’t a corporation, isn’t a government. It’s an organization of Original Peoples and their Tribunal. For all the Original People. People of the Salmon.
When Queen Ann was over in plantations, because all of America, was considered a plantation, they’re all corporations or land reserves, surveyed – she said that the Indians cannot be dispossessed of their lands and have a right to go to appeal to a tribunal, a third party tribunal. And that the courts of the newcomers had no jurisdiction on the land to enforce a new title.
Q: Land ownership title.
Popois: Land ownership title? Even though they never really had that, they’ve done whatever they wanted. So the Tribunal was put in place to rescind all those types of orders. We cannot be dispossessed of our land and we go through a third party Tribunal. That’s what we have in place.
Q: Queen Ann’s orders are saying that there is this option of a third party tribunal.
Popois: Yes. Which is our court.
Q: Well, kind of self electing yourself.
Popois: I’m not elected, I’m appointed.
Q: Self-appointing yourself then.
Popois: We are, we appoint our members. Yes.
Q: So, PotS started a couple of years ago, you said ‘we’. Who is ‘we’? Who started PotS?
Popois: It was work that I had to do, with another, and we had gone to court. We established the First Law of the Land under Sovereign Law. We had a couple of court cases that we ended up in the Supreme Court of Canada, versus Royal Bank. And they determined, under two questions, the fee: Indian land and Crown land. I came back with a yes and we agreed. Fee is Indian land here in BC, and Crown land is still Indian land in BC. And then I went on to prove it further, saying that there was no Crown that purchased any lands here in BC, therefore it’s still Indian land.
Q: That seems to be a very crucial ruling. Can we find that out?
Popois: I have it written under Order of Counsel 10-36 of 1938, where they transferred reserves. There is no such thing as a reserve in their constitution. And I say, their constitution, because they brought that BNA Act over from, the writers and lawyers from England, and placed it here for the people to use. It’s just a corporation operated by a bunch of thugs.
Q: What is the definition of a country in your mind?
Popois: A country is borderless. A land, a population, a culture and language.
Q: These lands seem to be multicultural.
Poipois: Yes, same as when we speak of Original People – Cree, Dene, Blackfoot, Dakota, Ojibway, Anishinaabe, Micmac, Tsimshian, Haida, Gitxsan, they’re all regions of our people. And they all have land base, the all have populations and they all have a culture. And those are the definitions of a sovereign nation.
Q: What is your legal background and training?
Popois: Business. Business writing. Contract writing. Being able to identify and write a court document that is lawful, and to be able to defend it. Also, under Admiralty Law. Documents into the UCC – so I have insurance, indemnity against anyone doing anything to me.
(For more see Who are PotS)
Q: So you used the ability to apply your research to…?
Popois: I’ve applied it to contracts. Researching and understanding the language of business.
Q: Now I saw recently, there’s something about a Legal Public Notice. What the heck is that?
Popois: That’s where you make notice to the public that certain conditions that you’re applying to. It usually requires a response. And if there is no response, it becomes acquiesced. And then has its right. And so far in that Legal Public Notice, there’s nothing that the Corporation can respond to that, that would be true.
Q: What were the claims in the Legal Public Notice?
Popois: That we are free people. We never gave any of our lands up. We never had them purchased. That we have a de jure government. And that we work as an alliance across the lands known as Kanatan. These are sacred lands. In the Manitou language which in Manitou means People of Great Spirit. And we feel Kanata should be sacred.
Q: And so when you say ‘we’ for the Legal Public Notice, are there others.
Popois: We have people who are leaving the Admiralty Ship of the Corporation and joining us.
Q: So ‘we’ means the original peoples, as you used that term before, plus other who want to leave the Ship Of Commerce? And join PotS?
Q: I heard something about the Hopi Prophesy. And about some kind of Rainbow Tribe.
Popois: This generation is the prophesy of the seventh generation to rise and take back the lands. And as far as I know, my nation is part of the seventh generation. I can’t speak to the Hopi, but I see a new destiny for our people.
Please see The Call of the Rainbow Warrior. The Children of the Rainbow.
Q: That idea of the Hopi Prophesy of all nations coming together. How do you see that working? You mentioned the Tribunal. And it seems the Tribunal operates under some traditional type of hierarchy and rules.
Popois: Yes, it it Original People Tribal traditions.
Q: Is there some space made for other Rainbow Tribes to come in? Have you thought about that yet? How do the PotS incorporate other tribes? Can non-Original people join?
Popois: We have non-Original people tribes already in a clan called the Wolverines. When they leave the ship of the corporation and the Admiralty Corporation of Canada, they become walking with the land like the original people. And in walking in a good way with peace and harmony, and on the Creator’s path of kindness. We look after the lands again, like we’ve always done and be more inclusive of the people who live with us.
Q: So back in the day before the corporation of England came over, there were all these Original Peoples.
Popois: With clans and laws and lands…
Q: …who had their own clans, and laws and lands and culture. Did all of them live in harmony together, do you think?
Popois: More than likely, yes.
Q: And how was that harmony achieved do you think?
Popois: Through trade. And when there wasn’t enough of something, if there’d be a bad year or weather, other nations traded and kept up with them.
Q: And do you think there would be wars too?
Popois: I believe if there were wars, it was to exchange women between culture groups. When they ran out of women, they came and had a systematic war in order to change the blood of the group, of the people.
Q: I’ve been to some meetings and I heard mention of not only the Tribunal, but the Clan Mothers. Who are they and what are their roles?
Popois: Clan mothers are the hierarchy of the Original People. The clan mother is the one employed by the people to look after them. They founded the laws, the medicines.
Q: Who are the clan mothers that are working with the PotS?
Popois: Well, Sechelt has X,’p’a’lich, she’s the elder of our family. And the matriarch chief of ours. And there’s matriarchs in the Haida, Tsimshian, Gitxsan, Gitxsan, Wet’suwet’en, Swetnik, Swetlaugen, and many, many others.
Q: I imagine that the Original peoples have been at this for a long time.
Popois: Three thousand years.
Q: This process of reclaim, well since the non-Original folks came, they’ve been at it a long time, what’s different now? It’s been going on for hundreds of years maybe.
Popois: They stole our land and they won’t get off and they’re killing us with genocides. We call it crimes against humanity. It’s now become International Law that they’ve breached. Not only running around doing all their crimes on the land under false pretense, now they’re committing crimes against the international people and community.
Q: I imagine that this journey to try to regain sovereignty again, it’s been happening for many many years. Why does the PotS think anything will be different now?
Popois: Because PotS have determined that they are still the land holders and title holders. And that by holding a de jure governance, we’ve taken back the First Law of the Land. Canada, BC and all the Corporations have invested in the second law. They never bought the land and they’ve never done a deal with the people. A contract with a de facto corporation operating as a band council isn’t a signatory of the people.
Q: What do you think now, is going to help the PotS actually make that real?
Popois: The money part of it. You take back fifty percent that they’ve been using. They’ve been using that trust fund of ours that is our possession and they’ve been using it for their own purpose.
Q: But do the corporations actually have money? Isn’t it just pieces of paper?
Popois: I believe that FIAT currency is. It was backed by gold so that means that all the original trust fund was set up with gold.
Q: Do you think there’s still gold around?
Popois: I think it’s in Switzerland. So the fifty percent that they still owe us is still in the books.
Q: But to regain sovereignty and to get that fifty percent, they’re not just going to give it away.
Popois: The way I see it happening is by setting up our own financial institution and taking it back. We haven’t got our own financial institution. We’re under the role of a corporation and the rules under their governance, which are no rules at all. You understand what they’re doing in Ottawa. They’re freezing peoples’ accounts. They own the charter banks. There is no rule that they’re following. So until we take it back, lock, stock and barrel, and declare that we are the de jure title holders of that equity, that you’ve been operating on our money and you’ve now been stopped. We’re taking it back.
Host: What does PotS think the role of the non-Original peoples is in helping the PotS’ mission? How are they gong to achieve their goal? Are they going to be able to achieve their goal on their own?
Popois: Alliances of Kanat’an with other nations that have the same right as we do. By bringing them all together in one body. And by proving to the Governor General, who is the representative of that corporation, we are the majority holders of that company as well.
Q: But you say they don’t play by the rules, why would the Governor General play by the rules?
Popois: She’s got the honour of the Crown to follow, and that’s important for her. If there’s no honourable Crown, then there is no rule of law.
Q: Couldn’t one say that the rule of law was just some rule they made that they can break themselves?
Popois: They have.
Q: Exactly, so it’s not really trust worthy.
Popois: No. So get rid of the contract of Justin Trudeau to force criminalization of the work he’s done.
Q: I’m just going back to the question about the PotS, I imagine Original people have formed allies for a long time and haven’t gotten much.
Popois: Allies of/with PotS. Here and around the world, yes.
Q: What’s going to change? What’s different? For years, they always had these alliances with other Original Peoples. How does PotS see something different happening? What are they going to be doing differently to make change?
Popois: Well, technology, for one, has changed. And the de jure law is ours. And not being under the financial controls and the military controls of a foreign government, a foreign agent. We can implement a society that gets along better with its environment.
Q: I guess basically what I want to know is, does the PotS see the role of the non-Aboriginal people as essential to helping them reach their mission?
Popois: Yes, for all the nations of the world, we’re ground zero for sovereignty in the world.
Q: But in terms of the involvement of the non-Original peoples?
Popois: White people.
Q: Or whatever race, the rainbow tribe race.
Q: I guess there are three other tribes. [Laughs] How does PotS see those non-Original peoples playing a role? Does PotS think it’s essential that they must get the alliance of the non-Original peoples?
Popois: Yes, but most of the non-Original peoples are corrupt and have been bought off by (in)governments. So we don’t have the support of the governments because they steal the resources. They want the money. They keep what they’ve got and they don’t have to change. They don’t want to change.
Q: I can understand what you’re saying about the government and being corrupt, but what about the people who aren’t involved with the government but just want sovereignty for everyone, including themselves, and they want fairness and they want harmony?
Popois: Sure. We’d give it to them. Whereas they don’t have it right now. Until they take their title back, they don’t have any rights. They have no property.
Q: To the people who are property holders in this current paradigm, what would you say to them?
Popois: The property holders they are in possession of a fee simple registration – there is no land purchase.
Q: Just going back to what you said before, about the Supreme Court saying fee simple is still Indian land.
Popois: It is still Indian land. But it’s not purchased. It’s just a registration of a document of title. Crown land has no land here either. They never bought any. Fee simple is just made up of squatters. So we’ll change your status from a squatter to a de jure sovereign member of the Original people.
Q: Well, some property holders might say “I didn’t squat, I actually paid money for this”.
Popois: They didn’t pay it to the Indian people. They didn’t buy it from the Indian people. They bought it off the Crown, off the Corporation. And it’s not a legal purchase.
Q: Yes, I can understand what you’re saying but…
Popois: They think it is. It isn’t. There is no legal purchase because when you buy a property and put a house on it, you’re only buying the property, you’re not buying the land. And that’s a document on every mortgage contract in BC.
Q: What is the wording?
Popois: It’s only for the property (ie. property taxes), it’s not over the land. The land is still Indian land.
Q: So I think PotS are taking the perspective that the land was never ceded, and it was never bought.
Popois: Or surrendered or sold.
Q: So the land is still belonging to the Original peoples. And PotS is part of that journey to reclaim that original right. Is that why the wording of the First Law of the Land is coming from?
Popois: Yes. It’s always been here. It’s owned by the people who were here first.
Q: Thank you so much for all this knowledge, Popois.
Popois: Those are the same questions I answer over and over again. About unsurrendered lands, and the Crown land didn’t buy them. The English is only a corporation on the land. They don’t have any constitution. Those are all facts of law.
Q: Those are things that PotS would like to present in a clear and understandable way so that people can see what you’re saying.
Popois: International Law did not bring a constitution over. There’s no foreign constitution based on someone else’s land. I don’t know what rule that is or where it is written, but that is a rule of International Law.
Dev: G’wathina. And thanks for the talk.
Popois: Yah, it is true because without the communication of the quicker web, the world wide acceptance of the web and internet, and that right now we haven’t killed anybody however the police have. And the government has. With the take back of our land we haven’t killed anybody however the government has. And the government forces and agents have.
So as agents of ground zero, as a representative body of Original People, at ground zero, who walk in a good way, we cannot be defaulted for these criminal acts of the corporation agents. And nor should we.
(I am finished speaking)
Foreign Governments – Section 8888 (SIC)
26 U.S. Code § 892 – Income of foreign governments and of international organizations
(a) assigned by a government or an intergovernmental organization with the agreement of the competent organ of the United Nations,
(b) engaged by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, by a specialized agency of the United Nations or by the International Atomic Energy Agency, or
(c) deployed by a humanitarian non-governmental organization or agency under an agreement with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, by a specialized agency of the United Nations or by the International Atomic Energy Agency,
- to carry out activities in support of the fulfilment of the mandate of a United Nations operation; (personnel associé)
(a) with respect to proceedings to which this Act applies, means the Attorney General or Solicitor General of the province in which those proceedings are taken and includes his or her lawful deputy or, if those proceedings are referred to in subsection 2.3(1), the Attorney General of Canada or the Attorney General or Solicitor General of the province in which those proceedings are taken and includes the lawful deputy of any of them,
(b) means the Attorney General of Canada and includes his or her lawful deputy with respect to
(i) Yukon, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut, or
(ii) proceedings commenced at the instance of the Government of Canada and conducted by or on behalf of that Government in respect of an offence under any Act of Parliament — other than this Act or the Canada Elections Act — or any regulation made under such an Act, and
(c) means the Director of Public Prosecutions appointed under subsection 3(1) of the Director of Public Prosecutions Act with respect to proceedings in relation to an offence under the Canada Elections Act; (procureur général)
Audioconference means any means of telecommunication that allows the judge or justice and any individual to communicate orally in a proceeding; (audioconférence)
Bank-note includes any negotiable instrument
(a) issued by or on behalf of a person carrying on the business of banking in or out of Canada, and
(b) issued under the authority of Parliament or under the lawful authority of the government of a state other than Canada,
Intended to be used as money or as the equivalent of money, immediately on issue or at some time subsequent thereto, and includes bank bills and bank post bills; (billet de banque)
Bodily harm means any hurt or injury to a person that interferes with the health or comfort of the person